zepp with vertical fiberglass pole

Eth0

just wondering if it's a good solution to buy the zepp antenna and use it with a vertical or painting fiberglass pole?

i would be able to use diffrent configuration such as the matching section on the fiberglass pole verticaly and the radiator a 45 to the ground or just horizontal for nvis and emergency.

i'm wondering if the antenna will be high enough with a 20-25' pole? I know higher is usually better but there is no threes on my yard and the pole would help me to create diffrent configuration from the inverted "v" to the vertical installation.

i'm new in the hf world so i need an antenna that will be easy to use and operate.

thanks

Carl

Carl

Carl,

If you want to use the antenna on a 20-25' long pole and use different configuration I'll recommend you either the HYBRID or the HYBRID-MINI. Both covers 6M to 160M at 1500W SSB.

The HYBRID comes with 30' wire and a Heavy Duty Spring. The HYBRID-MINI comes with a 60' wire but no Heavy Duty Spring.

The HYBRID-MINI (HM) is made for portable and only weight 1.5 lb. vs the HYBRID at 3 lbs. If you got any of those two you can also get the Jawmount and the MIL. That is probably everything you'll need for your next decade ++ of HF operating.

Cheers,

Carl

Eth0

So many questions....

Why the hybrid over the zepp? The short version that i will be able to understand

The zepp, from the drawing on he website seems to fit my needs. I taught the diffrent config were simple to do with a colapsable mast.

Now the regular hybrid: can i do the same patern (drawing on the web site) of the zepp with the hybrid? Like the inverted "v" would have 15' on each side or so. Can i do an "L" config with it?
Is the hybrid better for long tx?
Guess it doesn't change anything with psk31

Is the hybrid really dummy proof? :-) easy to setup?

Wish to do some psk, long distance RX if possible and emergency/NVIS in 3rd place.

Of course it's always with the smalest antenna on a small lot with restrictions!

Thx for taking the time to help me!
Carl

Carl

Here are the main differences between the HYBRID (or the HYBRID-MINI) and the Zepp:

The Zepp as a fix length of 75'. Now the first 25' (matching section) can spread evenly on the ground but the 50' of radiator CAN'T be changed and MUST ALL be installed in the open. If you're using the 20-25' mast you'll still need to find a way to "hang" the 25' remaining of the Zepp. So maybe do an inverted "L" when you'll reach the top of your mast.

If you do an inverted "V" you will need at least 56' to do it if you're using a 25' mast because each branch of the inverted will 28' long.

Now with e HYBRID or the H-M you start with a wire of 30' but you can use as long as you want and you'll be able to use vertical whip if desired. The HYBRID is very easy to install and more versatile if you think that you'll do some portable later. I installed the HYBRID on my bicycle last summer with a Jawmount under 15 minutes and here are my results:

http://youtu.be/0qzAmI0XWgY

Long distance DX will be reached with an antenna that is high enough and with a vertical antenna. To do DX with the Zepp you'll need to have the 50' radiator at more than 45 - 90 degrees (vertical) and out in the open. Anything lower than that and you'll have a medium to short range contact. Under 15' you'll get NVIS for 40M and 80M with the Zepp.

If you could stretch the tip of the Zepp almost vertical you will have a great DX antenna.

Carl

Eth0

the hybrid is basically the "coil" and you add either the wip or the 30" wire right?

what about the hybrid with the mil-wep on a mast?

i'm just screw with my yard that dosen't give me any space for radials and i'm surrounded by chain linked fence.

i'd like to do more that just NVIS....

my only setup is to use my patio outside with i guess a colapsible mast to help me the tx of the antenna.

unless you have another idea?

Carl

The HYBRID is the base canister:

Several people (including myself) are using the combo HYBRID/MIL on a mast. If you do so you'll have to add 4 radials to increase performances. The radials are easily attached to the other end of the jawmount and secured with the tent stakes. If radials are not possible you can simply add a SINGLE long counterpoise of about 30' to 40' evenly spread around the area or ground the base of the HYBRID to your metallic fence with a ground wire.

The following is my current setup and I can cover the entire USA, 75% of Canada and Mexico and Japan.

http://youtu.be/rnNaYrZ4tRE

Eth0

How long should be the radials?

I may have some space for radials of 12' or so....is that gonna be enough or it as to be more like 31-32'?
Counterpoise may also be an option but wondering if it will affec the efficiency compare to radials?

I am afraid to ground the antenna to the fence since it way rust with time.

Grounding would be nice and easy i guess.

Just let me know what is the best option please

Many thx for taking the time to help me!

Carl

A 12' radial might be a little short. Usually good radial should be at least 25' long.

This is what I would get in your situation:

1 X HYBRID-MINI + 60' wire (14 gauge) = $199
1 X Jawmount = $39

Do the following:

- Install the HYBRID-MINI (H-M) at the base of your 25' pole with the help of the Jawmount
- Ground the Jawmount to earth
- On your 25' do about 4 to 5 turns until you'll reach the top of the pole
- From the top of the pole extend the remaining wire to the roof of you home or as high as possible

That way you'll a nice inverted "L" that will be easy to tune and you should be able to get DX and some good local communication.

You might be able to do the exact thing with the Zepp but I never try it but it should also work. You'll install the Zepp at the bottom of the pole and do the same thing. The only difference will be the section between the top of the pole and your house will be 50' instead of 30'

Eth0

Thanks for the options...

Ok, let say the regular hybrid with the 30' wire on a 31' fiberglass pole with 4 radials of 25' each?
Does it sound good enough?

I will also order the mil-wip for test and pleasure

The roof of the house has a pitch of almost 12-12 so anything on it would fall down fast including me trying to put an antenna on it loll.

Carl

That should work great.

Do you have a mount or do you prefer to use the Jawmount to mount the HYBRID anywhere you want?

Eth0

I'll sure use the jawmount. It seems more practical if i want to use it with a tripod or for emergency/mobile and camping operations

Carl

With that setup you'll cover everything between 6M and 160M at 1500W SSB.

Where are you located?

for PayPal invoice send us an email here: support@chameleonantenna.com

n4dov

Eth0: Ok, let say the regular hybrid with the 30' wire on a 31' fiberglass pole with 4 radials of 25' each?
Does it sound good enough?

This one of my current set-ups. See other threads for pics under " 31 ft hybrid vertical" and in "interesting contacts".My radials are longer though.

Eth0

In canada...

I'll figure out a way to have it ship near the US border to avoid excessive shipping fees.

I'll place the order by paypall.

By the way, happy 4th oh july!!

N4DOV: yeah, I mainly took the idea from you . Only hope the radials will be long enough....

Eth0

Thank you very much Carl for the help!!

I really appreciate it

n4dov

EthO:In canada...
I'll figure out a way to have it ship near the US border to avoid excessive shipping fees.

Reminds me when I lived in Detroit and we would go to Windsor to eat as the restaurants were cheaper then!

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